By Tom Quiner

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It was horrible.

Right here in our own country, a Christian mob of hundreds descended on half a dozen Muslims who were peacefully holding up signs which simply promoted their faith.

It was vile.

You can’t believe the invective, the sheer profanity, that spewed from the lips of the Christian youth who screamed at the Muslims to leave.

It was dangerous.

The Christians grabbed whatever they could and pelted the Muslims with water bottles, milk crates, even chunks of concrete. Blood flowed from the head of one of the Muslim men.

Even though the Muslim men were not verbally preaching their faith, even though they were simply holding their signs, the police descended on them and told them to leave. The police threatened the men with arrest and citation if they didn’t.

The police refused to protect them. They refused to honor their freedom of speech.

The Muslims were afraid of this. They had contacted city officials in advance of the event and asked for them to provide a “bullpen,” a secured free speech zone. Officials refused. The police eventually forced the Muslims to leave.

Okay, that’s not really what happened.

It was the other way around, as you can see in the scary video clip above.

If you have the stamina, watch the full 22 minutes.

I have a number of reactions.

First of all, what in the world are these Christian guys thinking? My hope would be that they are approaching this event in a Christian spirit. In other words, to be Christ to the gathered crowd that doesn’t know Him. The scripture passage they selected was the wrong one to select if that was their intent.

I’m dubious of their motives when the scripture passage they display reads:

“Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.”

So these Christian guys are calling the Muslims thieves and liars. Perhaps that shouldn’t be the opening salvo if you’re truly trying to bring folks to Christ. John 3:16 would be a better approach, don’t you think?

“For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

It looks to me like they were trying to incite this gathering of Muslims and turn them into a snarling mob.

If that was their intent, they succeeded.

Next reaction: what about the Muslims? What kind of people are they? How are they raising their children? The snarling mob consisted primarily of angry Muslim youth. They hated the Christians carrying the signs. In your wildest imagination, could you ever picture a Christian crowd treating anyone that way in the U.S. today and the authorities letting them get away with it?

Does this video footage give you the warm fuzzies about the Muslim community?

If you were to say that this doesn’t truly represent the growing Muslim community in the U.S., I’d like to believe you. I really would.

But I don’t entirely. I know it’s politically incorrect to say that, but let’s be honest, their track record isn’t good.

In the Middle East, we’re watching Catholics being killed, burned, and harassed. Christians are leaving in droves because the Muslim religion does not tolerate freedom of religion.

A final reaction: why does our power structure allowed uncivilized behavior like this? Do the police and city council in Dearborn, Michigan, think so little of the Muslim community that they won’t hold Muslims to as high a standard as they do Christians?

Do they think Muslims are only capable of acting as barbarians, and that their job is to remove points of agitation (Christians) to keep them from getting riled up?

Isn’t this kind of demeaning?

Why do we tolerate violent Muslim mobs?

Why do we allow anti-American slugs like the Occupy Wall Street crowd deface and defile public property? Don’t tell me we do it in the name of free speech when we don’t extend the same courtesy to Christians.

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  1. skyedog27 on July 7, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    This video was extremely unsettling. I didn’t view the entire video because of uploading time on my phone but if the Christians were, indeed, looking to insite they got their wish. Still our laws against such violence should have been enforced even if they would have had to recruit police from other counties. Finally Sheria law should never trump that of those of the USA.
    We have a problem Houston and it better get nipped in the bud quickly…but then it may be too late

    • quinersdiner on July 7, 2012 at 2:13 pm

      I was disturbed by everyone in the video. Yes … very unsettling.

  2. juwannadoright on July 7, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Romans 10:15. “How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the Gospel of peace.”

    Apparently members of neither group in this very disturbing video are acquainted with this verse.

    I don’t know the motivation of the Christian group in making their presence known at the festival. Was it to spread the Gospel or to roil the crowd? Whatever their purpose, they certainly deserved the police protection which they were denied. If I were a citizen of Dearborn I would be concerned for my own safety as, perhaps one day, whatever group I belonged to might go on the Police Department’s “Do Not Protect List.”

    Clearly the mob was out of control. While the Assistant Commissioner was able to cite all sorts of ordinances which the recipients of their assaults had violated, I suspect there are others on the books which prohibit people from throwing rocks, bottles and urine at others. Selective enforcement of laws which are designed for our safety concerns me greatly.

    My personal belief is that, despite their sworn duty, the police simply chose the easiest path to insure their own safety not only during this event but generally in dealing with the community. Detroit-Dearborn has the highest concentration of ethnic Middle Eastern Muslims of any place in the country.

    Perhaps the most distressing part of the video was the observation that the police’s lack of action reinforces the fact that what the mob did is okay. And equally as disturbing was the fact that the adults made no attempt to reign in their children, further endorsing their behavior.

    I firmly believe in our right to Free Speech. However, I believe that right is exercised most fully when it is employed judiciously and in an effective manner.

  3. Ankeny Conservative on July 7, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    That is some scary stuff. No, I could never imagine a Christian mob acting in this way. In a similar situation, I remember walking over to a “pro-choice” booth during a Republican straw poll and asking them why they were here. I engaged them in some verbal back and forth and told them that abortion is murder and anyone who supports that will have that to answer for when they shuffle off this mortal coil. But mostly the conservatives just ignored them.

    Problem with Christians and conservatives is that we are just too darn nice. We don’t change things by mob rule, because we can’t imagine forming a mob in the first place.

  4. Lori on July 8, 2012 at 8:20 am

    I won’t comment on the Muslims and I can’t watch the video with my children in the room, but your comment about the scripture passage chosen reminded me of something. When we drive through Florida on road trips, I have always been offended by many of the Christian billboards that seem to encourage hate towards certain groups (namely homosexuals). Why, I think to myself, would a Christian group spend it’s money on that, when there are so many more uplifting, loving, and productive messages from the bible? That kind of hatred was not taught by Jesus. We would be wise to follow his example.

    • quinersdiner on July 8, 2012 at 8:25 am

      I agree. Do NOT let your kids watch the video on this post. It is disturbing for adults, much less children. Thanks for writing.

  5. Magic Claw on July 8, 2012 at 4:28 pm

    Ok lets analyze this from the beginning. The christians were not saying anything. They were carrying signs that displayed messages in white, black, yellow, blue and red lettering. bright colors on dark backgrounds can be taken as being more offensive than if they were written in neutral colors. Second of all their message was faith based. They clearly target a muslim community to spread their message. among the signs was this message from scripture”Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.” How could this message be of any possible benefit to these christians in their situation? Does this convey the true message of Jesus? If I remember correctly Jesus mostly talked about turning the other cheak, helping the poor, and doing on to others as you would yourself. If they understood Islam they would know muslims sympathize with these values. Muslims or presumed Muslims are already greatly mistreated in our country. I knew a man from Pakistan when I was younger. He owned a convenience store. He had to deal with a lot of hate and misunderstanding while he was still alive. He died of cancer several years back. Its also true that people treat people who appear to be muslim in a poor manor, especially if they are of Arab or South Asian decent. The truth is not all arabs or south asians are muslim. Some are infact Christian, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Sikh, etc. I would also note that most of the people who would make these mistakes only know of maybe 2 of those religions.
    So in Dearborn Michigan they are essentially promoting their faith by telling others that they are dishonest? Maybe even calling them liars? Its clear that this verse means as much, considering the coloring of the signs and the messages they were sending, they were indeed asking for trouble. Why are they then surprised that muslims started stonening them and then shouted profanities at them. wouldn’t it be wise to first study what muslims believe in order to understand what may be offensive to them at first? For starters they believe Jesus was a great prophet of god. They believe that he was intended to reinvigor faith amoung the Jews and bring people back to god. They also believe that god is indivisible, and that it is beneath him to have parents, children or siblings. Associating anyone to be equal with God is a major offense to them. Its akin to telling christians that Jesus never existed, or saying that the gospels are lies. Its like saying to Jews that the holocaust never happened. These are inflamatory remarks that under any circumstances I would not make to anyone. Christians used to kill people over this stuff, and Muslims did too. Lots of people would kill others over matters of faith.
    These people were throwing things at them out of emotion and were telling them to leave. They were clearly offended. Some of those Muslims there may have had to deal with a lot of descrimination. Eventually people get tired of dealing with other people’s insensitivities. As for the police officers they were right not to escort this group. They would have sent a message that they support this groups idealogies. I once saw a man in a military uniform at a thing where they promoted black power. One of the friends I was with was in the military, and he was deeply offended. Not because of the black power speech, but because the man was wearing an army uniform. If someone is going to have the nerve to do something like that, they have to take responsibility for it themselves. Those police officers do not have an obligation to protect them from their own ignorant self rightious behaviour. Freedom of speech is one thing, but using speech as a weapon is foolish. These guys earned what they got.

  6. Bob Vance on July 9, 2012 at 4:51 pm

    If you are planning a night of playing cards at your house and you want to avoid heated confrontations later, it is a good idea to make sure everyone knows you are playing “According to Hoyle” and to keep a copy of the book handy. Unfortunately, with religion, there is no concrete rule book since it is based on faith and there are many Holy Books and many interpretations of each Holy Book, and each group claims they alone know the true meanings and they alone have the true Word.

    I don’t remember who said it, but to paraphrase: “Bad people do bad things. To get a good person to do bad usually requires religion.”

    I am not sure if this will get posted. Seems alot of my comments die while “Waiting for moderation”

    • quinersdiner on July 9, 2012 at 6:59 pm

      Thanks for writing.

    • Ankeny Conservative on July 9, 2012 at 8:46 pm

      You said “I don’t remember who said it, but to paraphrase: “Bad people do bad things. To get a good person to do bad usually requires religion.””

      That’s painting with a pretty broad brush. Would you like to see the statistics on charitable giving, religious vs. non-religious, for example? Whether it is time or money, those who are religious are typically much more giving of each than those who are not religious by nature.

      I will admit that there are those who take their religion to an extreme, but these are not the typical Christian or Muslim. To castigate an entire religion because of the actions of a few seems a bit ignorant. After all, the most violent dictators the world has seen have been non-religious: Mao, Stalin, and Hitler killed more people than all the religious wars combined.

      • quinersdiner on July 9, 2012 at 9:19 pm

        Very well-said.

      • Bob Vance on July 10, 2012 at 8:02 am

        My point wasn’t to say all religion is bad. But there have been bad things done in the name of religion. Probably more like justified in the name of religion.

        You bring up Hitler. Hitler was a Catholic in good standing. He never renounced his faith. The church has never denounced him nor his actions. He believed, as many do today, that Jews killed Christ and deserved to be punished. Hitler was put into power by the people, who agreed with his philosophies.

        As for Stalin, at one point in his life he trained to be a Priest. I don’t think Stalin was an atheist because he believed he himself was God.

        Mao and Stalin gained power through revolution against their respective rulers. It wasn’t about religion. It was about power.

        Not to take away from the evil these two did, but look at our own history here in the U.S. Millions of Native Americans were killed off so we could take their lands. I read that Hitler’s concentration camps were modeled after those camps used against the Native Americans here in the U.S.

      • Bob Vance on July 10, 2012 at 9:54 am

        “The Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (B&MGF or the Gates Foundation) is the largest transparently operated private foundation in the world, founded by Bill and Melinda Gates. It is “driven by the interests and passions of the Gates family”. The primary aims of the foundation are, globally, to enhance healthcare and reduce extreme poverty, and in America, to expand educational opportunities and access to information technology. The foundation, based in Seattle, Washington, is controlled by its three trustees: Bill Gates, Melinda Gates and Warren Buffett. Other principal officers include Co-Chair William H. Gates, Sr. and Chief Executive Officer Jeff Raikes. It had an endowment of US$33.5 billion as of September 30, 2011. The scale of the foundation and the way it seeks to apply business techniques to giving makes it one of the leaders in the philanthrocapitalism revolution in global philanthropy, though the foundation itself notes that the philanthropic role has limitations. In 2007, its founders were ranked as the second most generous philanthropists in America. In 2010, its founders had started The Commission on Education of Health Professionals for the 21st Century titled as “Transforming education to strengthen health systems in an interdependent world”.

        Add to that UNICEF, Oxfam, CARE, Red Cross and affiliates, Save The Children, International Rescue Committee, and Doctors Without Borders.
        When you donate to the above, you typically know where the money is going to end up.

        By contrast, one of the biggest Christian Charities is the Mormon Church (typical of many others), who requires a 10% tithe as membership. This 10% is considered a donation to charity. The money collected is distributed as the Church Leaders deem worthy. Typically the charity funds goes to help fellow Mormons, or to grow its membership, or for political causes; The Mormon Church was by far the largest donor in California’s Prop 8.
        Wasn’t it back in the ‘80s when people were shocked to find out that money they put in the collection plates at their local church ended up buying weapons for rebels in South America via a National Organization of Churches.

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