Quiner’s Diner debates liberal Catholic – PART 3

By Tom Quiner

[The debate continues. Click here to review PART 1 and here to review PART 2] …

QD: LC, our Church calls us to so much more. In “Living the Gospel of Life,” the U.S. bishops were clear that “we must therefore explain, persuade, correct and admonish those in leadership positions who contradict the Gospel of life through their actions and policies.” My friend, the stakes are high, because human life is at stake. If we can’t vote against candidates who want to take our money to spend on human abortion, who can we vote against? Vicki stands up for Life in staunch support of Catholic principle. In light of the stark contrast between her positions and her opponent’s, she has my vote.

LC: Tom, I know this may come back to haunt me … but the Missouri Synod Church believes that our version of Communion is HERESY, they believe the papacy is the ANTI-Christ. Do you really want people to support this type of thought!!! Please let all of us know if it is more important to support a candidate (who is a long shot to win … sorry Vickie) or your religion. Most Catholics would consider this line of thought as a deal breaker- regardless of the perceived benefits. Most people would consider the Anti-Christ a really BAAADDDD thing. As a person who has never aborted, had gay relations or even been divorced, you must side with your Church on this one. Or make your bed with people who consider your religion as one headed by the Anti-Christ……

LC: Ok, there are other things I definitely don’t agree with the MSL Church, but Vicki, you are probably a really nice lady. We won’t agree on much. My beef was with Tom making a blanket statement and trying to persuade Catholics to blindly follow.

Vicki Stogdill is a Republican candidate for State Senate

STOGDILL: I certainly do not believe the pope is the Anti-Christ. A vote for me does not contradict the Catholic Church, and in fact upholds your beliefs on life and marriage. Are you telling me you’d rather vote for a person who supports women killing their unborn children and same-sex couples being told their lifestyle is not a sin? Wow, that seems like an obvious choice for a Catholic or any Bible-believing Christian.

STOGDILL: LC, every person must pray sincerely for God’s guidance and I pray you’ll do that before voting for my opponent. The invitation for coffee stands any time. I’ll message you my cell phone number. Peace to you.

LC: Vickie, your church has posted this. You may not believe…but then you wouldn’t be a true follower of that church. They believe in a literal interpretation of the bible….slaves, beating wives…all sorts of stuff Jesus (the reason we are CHRISTians) told us not to do…. Again, the thread started on this simple question: what church does she belong to?

STOGDILL: Believing in a “literal” interpretation of the bible doesn’t mean slaves, beating wives…both are historical references to things that happened in the Old Testament and are not anything our church believes we should do today (come on, really????). You obviously have been told some incorrect things about what our church believes. Rather than go into lengthy theological discussions here – would be happy to chat. I just sent you my cell phone number. Thanks for the discussion. Peace.

QD: I believe in religious freedom, LC, and won’t discriminate on the basis of someone’s religion. I am acutely concerned with how their faith informs their principles. Vicki Stogdill publicly upholds principles the Catholic Church states as being “non negotiable.” Her opponent publicly opposes our principles. I am called by my faith to support the candidate who stands up for Catholic principle, regardless of her personal religious affiliation.

LC: Her religion says your leader is the anti-christ. Thank God you have the ability to make a choice. If religion plays a part in your decision, you may want side with whoever doesn’t believe your papacy is the anti-christ. That may also be a non-negotiable.

STOGDILL: Really the bottom-line here is…..if you are against abortion and yet vote for my opponent, your vote will ensure that thousands more babies will be murdered in Iowa through abortion. God will hold us all accountable when we know the right thing to do but refuse to do it.

Thanks to “Liberal Catholic” and Vicki Stogdill for the lively discussion. I encourage you to check out Vicki Stogdill’s website. She is a model candidate and represents conservative ideals. She will stand up for Catholic principle in the public square, even though she is a Lutheran.

For the record, some of the my favorite people are Lutherans. You know who you are!


  1. Jeane Bishop on September 27, 2012 at 12:41 pm

    I’m definitely interested in hearing more from Vicki Stogdill! Very articulate, intelligent woman. Wish her all the best. Thanks, Tom.

    • quinersdiner on September 27, 2012 at 1:35 pm

      Yes, I agree. She reads this blog, so she will see your comments. Great to hear from you.

  2. Shawn Pavlik on September 27, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    I wish I could vote for her. But I WILL be voting for the Republican in Ankeny’s newest district, John Landon. From his website: “John is a pro-life, pro-family fiscal conservative who believes in traditional family values. He supports the right of Iowans to vote on the definition of marriage, and will fight to protect the unborn.”

    Sounds like the right kind of conservative to me.

    Then again, I will probably vote straight ticket R anyway. Makes voting simple and quick.

    • quinersdiner on September 27, 2012 at 2:47 pm

      Shawn, if you have friends in the Beaverdale area, push Vicki hard. Her opponent, Janet Petersen, has Planned Parenthood behind her. This is a Democratic district. We need every conservative engaged in her campaign.

  3. Theresa Dowd on September 28, 2012 at 8:01 am

    I know that Vicki puts her heart into working for pro life causes and she’s done so for years. And I think LC sounds like a Feeneyite.

  4. Bob Zimmerman on September 28, 2012 at 9:37 am

    Feeneyite: Noun. A person who identifies with Shirley Feeney, of “Laverne and Shirley” fame… ? just a guess..