1. JoeC on September 13, 2013 at 3:03 pm

    What exactly has any president done regarding abortion other than use as a talking point right before an election?

    Obama has made the same “except in cases of rape or incest” stand that every other president seems to have made, yet he constantly is being called “baby killer”, etc.

    • quinersdiner on September 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm

      Hi Joe: Great question. It deserves a comprehensive answer. I will try to respond fully in a full essay within the next seven days. You will be amazed at how much a president can do on this subject. Thanks for writing, you always keep me on my toes.

    • Lisa Bourne on September 13, 2013 at 7:43 pm

      It is arguably true that every president in history, whether pro-life or not, could have done more to stop abortion-simply because its scourge is still upon us. This is a no-brainer, and it is one issue. That one issue does nothing to diminish another separate issue, which is the rabid pro-abortion record of Barack Obama. Anyone paying attention and who is intellectually honest will recognize and acknowledge what Professor Peter Kreeft put best: “We have the most pro-abortion president in history.” The LifeNews timeline illustrates is well: http://www.lifenews.com/2010/11/07/obamaabortionrecord/

      • quinersdiner on September 13, 2013 at 8:05 pm


      • JoeC on September 14, 2013 at 8:02 am

        He is a Democrat and most of his base is pro-choice. Why would you expect him to be anything but pro-choice? He is a politician.

        What most of the people on the pro-life side seem to ignore is that the pro-choice people do not see abortion as murder, and they have the law on their side. How can you blame a lawyer for upholding existing laws on how he votes as a senator?

        To call the president a baby killer or to post pictures like these do nothing for the cause except build bigger walls between the sides. If you don’t like the law, there is a legal system in place where you can overturn it, or wait around and see if the supreme court changes it someday.

  2. Lisa Bourne on September 14, 2013 at 3:50 pm

    The statement that Obama is a Democrat, etc. and a politician, asking what would you expect, for the apparent purpose of justifying his support for abortion, really only illustrates that the left moves in packs, and further says he shouldn’t be expected to think for himself. Neither a ringing endorsement or an excuse for anything. Stating the obvious, that he merely panders to his pro-abortion base (I won’t use the phrase “pro-choice,” as it’s not an honest term), as though that’s all that should be expected of him, simply seals the deal on the obvious: Democrats are the party of death.

    Pro-life people don’t at all ignore the fact that pro-abortion people refuse to admit that abortion is murder. Pro-lifers can’t possibly ignore this. How could they, when clearly, if pro-aborts were to acknowledge what abortion is, they’d have to likewise admit their culpability. Denying the humanity of the unborn is just one form of denial that allows them to look themselves in the mirror.

    The current legal status of abortion in no way equates it with justice, morality or truth. It’s not the first, and I’m sure it won’t be the last unjust law that needs to be repealed.

    Calling attention to the fact that Obama procured a law degree is extraneous and doesn’t enter in here, given it’s about the only thing on record tying him to the legal profession. Were he some noted legal scholar or crusader for legal rights, it might add some credibility, but that’s not the case. The fact he could claim, “Barry Soetoro, Esquire,” somewhere on paper didn’t compel him to vote more than once in favor of infanticide in the Illinois Senate. Nothing excuses that. That wasn’t upholding anything beside a pro-death agenda.

    Further, any man that says if either of his daughters were to become pregnant, that he wouldn’t want them “punished with a baby,” is reprehensible. That’s a man that not only gives a pass on the taking of life in general, that’s a man that, by his own statement, actively desires death in the case of his own grandchildren. What more proof is needed for where this guy is on life?

    I’ve never opted to call the president a baby-killer. That’s not my style. It’s not generally effective. But it’s also not necessary, because his actions speak for themselves. The only thing missing in the equation is reality for a significant portion of the population.

    Posting pictures like the one Tom does above is perfectly appropriate. Obama is rabidly pro-abortion. It’s an undisputable fact. It is also a disturbing reality, with great cost, foisted upon the American people, and by extension, the world. Far less worse offenses have been lampooned, and in much worse and disrespectful fashion. What’s an even more compelling message communicated in the meme above, what should jump out at you, and what is just as undeniable, is the targeting of the black race via abortion. Everyone’s so very trigger-happy to cry racism if anyone so much as looks funny in Obama’s direction, yet it’s crickets when it comes to the black genocide of abortion. The direction of the question, “How did you make it out alive?” to a child of color is actually the real issue.

    This is not a question of simply not liking a law. The law is wrong. No one who is serious about this is sitting around waiting for anything. Pro-lifers have worked for years to affect change in favor of life and will continue to do so.

    But this goes beyond an unjust and immoral law. The culture of death and it’s supporters must be changed as well. And we’ve slid downward as far as a society as we have because of the disregard for life.

    The walls aren’t as high as they are because of calling things what they are. They are that high because of the disregard for life so prevalent today.

    • quinersdiner on September 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm

      Thanks for this thorough defense of the meme, and the pro life position.

    • JoeC on September 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm

      One article I read tells of a couple with twins where they found that one of the twins had almost no chance of making it to term and this would severely decrease the chances of the other surviving. After much soul searching, they chose abortion and went on to have a healthy baby girl. I find you most cruel to suggest that that poor couple should be told that they “murdered” their son to save their daughter. I have tried to post that article twice here and it never got posted.

      I could argue that most pro-life people are really just pro-birth because once they have the children, most social conservatives do their best to cut funding to give them equal opportunities and in some cases basic necessities. I don’t believe that applies here, but many comments on web sites call for cutting all welfare as they deem it “handouts”.

      Everything you just stated comes down to your opinion. The majority of people do not see abortion as murder, especially in the first trimester. Otherwise Roe v Wade would have been turned over long ago. Medical science is against you. The Bible is against you.

      Regarding Obama’s record on those Illinois bills, I have been down that road many times with these claims that he is for killing babies common on your anti-abortion web sites. Obama stated at the time that he did not support the bills because they tried to over-ride Roe v Wade, which he supports, and that current laws already cover a baby once it is born.