1. peddiebill on March 17, 2016 at 12:35 am

    Thank you for the picture. I know I am not meant to self-advertise but it occurs to me that some who like the picture might also be interested in my post, Is Donald Trump Christian? I would certainly appreciate feedback.
    Bill Peddie

  2. Michigan Man on March 17, 2016 at 3:09 am

    To be fair, Romney professes not to be Christian. Trump lives a life that could certainly be improved, as you note, but at least he believes in God: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

    • quinersdiner on March 17, 2016 at 9:59 pm

      Romney has exhibited Christian values in everything he’s done. The same can’t be said for Trump.

      • Michigan Man on March 17, 2016 at 10:13 pm

        Romney professes(!!) to not being Christian…I think that’s quite difficult to defend.
        In fact I just saw today on LifeSite News that Rubio’s finance guy is a huge proponent of legalized sodomy, and even testified for its conservative principles…
        The point of the matter is: someone who professes to not believing in the Holy Trinity is not even in the same category as someone who does but isn’t perfect

    • Nathan on March 18, 2016 at 3:11 am

      Strictly speaking, Marco Rubio (and other Roman Catholics) would call evangelicals and protestants non-Christian for not being part of the “One true church”. Romney never declared that he wasn’t a Christian so much as he has declared to be a Mormon. Mormonism according to strict Roman Catholics (as well as Greek Orthodox, Protestants, Evangelicals and other Trinity believing sects) is heretical. Romney does demonstrate Christian ethics, though I don’t know him personally. I wouldn’t consider him worse than Trump considering…

      Trump has lived in a bubble surrounded by yes men, says his favorite scripture is “too personal”, he has admitted to lying to people via his book “Art of the Deal” in his business dealings, he still admits to lying on his campaign trail, he claims to not ask for forgiveness (which should be a Red Flag), when he was called out for “Two Corinthians” he blamed the person for emailing it to him “incorrectly”. Donald Trump shows a glibness toward Christianity which is problematic considering he’s 69 years old. God can lead him to repentance and “improve his life”, but the same could be said for President Obama, who also comes from a Trinity believing tradition. I’m pretty sure most Trump supporters aren’t willing to extend that same courtesy to the current President.

      • Michigan Man on March 18, 2016 at 8:58 am

        That statement is absurd. As I said, there’s a difference between being a practicing Christian (ie not perfect, and make mistakes) and someone not baptized… The Catholic Church does recognize that Protestants and the like as formal heretics, but the Church recognizes their valid baptisms. Trust me, I’m not defending anything about Protestants, and I would be wrong to even think about doing so. All I’m saying is that saying that Romney is more Christian than Trump is like saying Jews are more Christian than Trump. And if you believe that, we have a bigger problem.

        • Nathan on March 18, 2016 at 10:44 am

          Jesus said in Mark 12:34 that the scribe was “close” to the Kingdom of God. A Jew can be “more Christian” than Trump based on Jesus’ standard.

          “Trust me, I’m not defending anything about Protestants”

          You seem to emphasize “correct belief” above ethical/moral instructions.

          James 2

          18 But someone may well say, “You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.”

          19 You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.

          20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?

          • Michigan Man on March 19, 2016 at 12:14 pm

            Our Lord said in John 6:
            48 I am the bread of life.
            49 Your fathers did eat manna in the desert, and are dead.
            50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven; that if any man eat of it, he may not die.
            51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven.
            52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world.
            53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?
            54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
            55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
            56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.
            57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.
            58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
            59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.

            And hence…The Catholic Church has always taught, and writes in the Catechism:
            “Extra Ecclesiam nulla Salus … There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church.” (see: http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation)

            Why don’t you take your modernist carping somewhere else, instead of disgracing Holy Mother Church with your nonsense. I’m done with this worthless discussion, buddy. Logical contradictions, and modernist defense of Protestants have no place in any discussion between people with the ability to reason. Good day

          • Nathan on March 20, 2016 at 6:53 pm

            I’m not sure if this post will be approved as I will reveal myself as being a “heretic” by Roman Catholic standards.

            Well, I’m not a Catholic. My exposure to Catholicism was through my own research, as my church spoke ill of Catholics. The first time I’ve gone to a Catholic Church was last year, where members admitted to not knowing much scripture. You assume that I already have a foundation in that ideology which I do not. Your righteous indignation is lost on me. Nor do I agree with the argument behind the passage you have recited. I’m not a ecumenical thinker. I did not say that you can be saved with out Christ, but that a non-Christian can be “close” to being a Christian based on their behavior (ie: the scribe and the centurion who Jesus commended). Similarly, Jesus mentioned that people would do “many marvelous works in his name” and still they would not inherit eternal life.

            Back to Donald Trump:

            I’m not a Rubio supporter, but your reason for challenging Rubio would apply to Trump. You can’t be lax on Donald as merely “imperfect” while castigating Rubio for working with an apparently liberal person.

            I’ll let you have the last word, but I hope you stay on topic (Donald Trump).

          • Michigan Man on March 20, 2016 at 8:23 pm

            My point exactly. If you’re going to apply one set of rules for Trump, you must also be prepared to say that Rubio is “not a Christian” because he’s okay with hiring aids without morals. Or if you reject that, you must be prepared instead to say that if Romney “acts as a Christian” even though he openly rejects Our Lord Jesus Christ, then it doesn’t matter what Trump does or says; he too “acts as a Christian”. I’m merely pointing out the disconnect in your argument.

            If you want to vote for a Christian who acts like a Christian, I trust you voted for Rick Santorum.

            Last word.

      • Michigan Man on March 18, 2016 at 10:30 am

        Furthermore, Marco Rubio’s campaign finance guy is a huge proponent of legalized sodomy. By your logic, does this invalid him as a Catholic, too?